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Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

Dear Richard,
part of your test is not from your link.
this part is not from UN and you have copied it from another site with no link:
""In Iran for 25 years, the ruling mullahs have enforced humiliating and sadistic rules and punishments on women and girls, enslaving them in a gender apartheid system of segregation, forced veiling, second-class status, lashing, and stoning to death."
it is propaganda.
please note Iran is geogeraphically the bridge of many countries to west. and so Iran is a transit path for many things including human trafficing.
yes crimes exist in every country including Iran. but Islam does not allow it. laws of Iran are against human traffic.
but Talmud says that any non jew is an animal in shape of human and they are created for jews and jews can use them.
if you do not accept this news agency.
OK read here from your own link:
http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?page=search&docid=4fe30cbe38&skip=0&query=sex&coi=ISR

the situation is much different in Israel and Iran.
the beliefs of Zionists allow using women as animals. but it is different in Islam.
Govt of Iran has many effort in trafficking. Iran is the 1st rank in world in elimination of trafficking opium. Iran has the highest rank in world for capturing opium trafficking to west.
in fact Iran is serving to western people.
Iran also has many efforts in elimination of trafficking humans. this report is not complete. because in Iran the problem is that reports are not published in english language and so international centers do not count non english reports. also UN has shown that it biased about Iran and illegally supports Israel. you can look at the number of times Israel has condemened attacks of Israel to Palestine.

"In an open democratic society problems are exposed"
no this is not true. popular media decide what are problem and what are not problem. they hide real problems and keep mind of people by unreal problems. main prolem is power which is in hand some dictators like AIPAC and Obama and Zionist lobbies.

"and dealt with in a closed theocratic society problems are not exposed"
this is not true. you do not know what is real theocratic socity. you think Bin Laden is symbol of Islam.
in Iran problems are exposed. including prolems about women abuse and traficking etc. but in Persian language.

"and hence not dealt with and thus get far worse."
Islam and Iran laws have law for every problem.

can I ask you watch the Film Arrivals?
you can find it here or in other sites:
http://www.wakeupproject.com/arrivals.html

Conclusion: Democracy is far, far better than Islamic theocracy. There is really no comparison.

Rider1

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

Dear SR, thank you for that article about prostitution and sex trafficking in Israel.

It is dated 2005.

It is by an Israeli News agency.

It says that there is / was a problem and that the authorities are trying to combat it.

In Iran on the other hand there is a far worse problem. "In Iran for 25 years, the ruling mullahs have enforced humiliating and sadistic rules and punishments on women and girls, enslaving them in a gender apartheid system of segregation, forced veiling, second-class status, lashing, and stoning to death."

"Iran is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children subjected to sex trafficking and forced labor. Iranian and Afghan boys and girls residing in Iran are forced into prostitution within the country. Iranian women, boys, and girls, are subjected to sex trafficking in Iran, as well as in Pakistan, the Persian Gulf, and Europe. Azerbaijani women and children are also subjected to sex trafficking in Iran."

"The Government of Iran does not comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking, and is not making significant efforts to do so. "

http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?page=country&category=&publisher=USDOS&type=&coi=IRN&rid=&docid=4fe30cc0c&skip=0

Conclusion: In an open democratic society problems are exposed and dealt with in a closed theocratic society problems are not exposed and hence not dealt with and thus get far worse.

Conclusion: Democracy is far, far better than Islamic theocracy. There is really no comparison.

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

Dear Richard,
read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/apr/05/gunter-grass-israel-poem-iran
perhaps it be useful for you.
it seems you have an blind support for Israel.
do you know the situation of prostitution industry and woman trafficking to Israel? they treat women as slave and sell them. one the such shops in Israel is called womantogo.
when a woman is sold in Israel her id cards is taken by her owner.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3062297,00.html
http://wecogitate.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/israels-sex-trade-booming/

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

"So there is a problem in criticising Islam or Muhammad."
there is no problem to question and critique Islam or prophet SAWW but with respect. and for knowledge. and not for insult.

propaganda has its own define.

"Anything said which shows Islam or Muhammad in a bad light is "baseless propaganda""
no no no

"You can only "criticise" Islam or Muhammad by saying good things about them."
no. only consider respect and say for learning and not for enmity. if so you are welcomed in Muslim community.

"But in a democratic state the burning of the Quran is permissible, if the Quran is purchased and owned by the person doing so, as was done by the Reverend Jones."
yes but it is not a respectful criticise.

US and western laws should not allow insult to Islam and burning Quran. this is against world wide peace. this makes many of Muslims angry (not all. many understand this is not but ignorance).

"We do not consider it immoral to insult Islam. We consider it immoral if those insulting Islam (or any religion) are killed or indeed punished in any way."
having no law against insulting Islam and Quran proves ignorance. dialogue of religions should be supported instead of insult and religious wars. not having such laws proves ignorance of western governments or supporting wars for their interests. large military companies have hijacked US governments and their interests are in wars and selling more and more guns and weapons. they can change laws for their interests.

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Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

Dear Richard,
Palestinians are under siege and their children even can not have pencil for school. they make some home made missiles to defend themselves when Israel attack them from air and land and sea with advanced US made weapons and drones and missiles,...
if Israeli children are killed they are sure unintentional. but Israeli soldiers kill Palestine children for enjoy and intentionally. look here for example:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0219/breaking12.html
please note Palestine is home land of Palestinians and Israelis have no right to occupy Palestinians homes.
please read here:
http://deiryassin.org/
and then compare Palestinians killed and Israelis killed.
the reason of killing for each side is completely different.

Assad has some problems but still there is lots of propaganda about him.
CNN, FoxNews, BBC and many other media are hijacked and controlled by media to brainwash people. but this is not easy to distinguish. they use very advanced psychological methods to feed what they want to people. they mix true news and propaganda and it is difficult to distinguish by people which news is true and which lie.

"But it would be better if there was no religion at all and just complete secularism."
assuming there is no life after death you are right. but considering life after death no.

"That is absolutely not true."
I can prove this from Talmud and their behavior with non Jews. if you want you can open a new topic.

"Muslims are taught Jews are children of apes and pigs."
no. this is false and propaganda. only Quran says a specific group of Jews who did not obey God about fishing at Sabbath were converted to apes as punishment by God. not all the Jews.

yes I have heard this hadith of prophet SAWW. but please note this is about when Imam Mahdi a.s. and Jesus come out of occultation and fight Jews who deviated the world and made word full of evil.

"SR " they kill Palestinians kids as if they are animals." - Where is the evidence of this?"
this is only one evidence:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0219/breaking12.html
or
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzsCBFhCsyY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah_incident
or
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html
there are many other similar evidences that show the personality of Zionists.
Talmud says how they think about non Jew people (even Christians). I have noted some them before:
http://www.ted.com/conversations/3097/israel_palestine_conflict_cal.html

please distinguish between Judaism and Zionism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_3379
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMi_-xqhBYw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvyDvYhWdHP7K4XnmDBp3sgjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20091217125636AAxOoVE

Rider1

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

Dear SR,

I do believe that is true. AND CNN is not Zionist media.

Wikipedia quoting UN sources says that from 2005 to 2008 there were 1754 Palestinian deaths and 117 Israeli deaths of these 309 Palestinians were under the age of 18 and 12 Israelis were under the age of 18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

I support Assad and hope he will survive and I support Shias in Pakistan and Afghanistan who are being killed. But it would be better if there was no religion at all and just complete secularism.

"but they are crazy and consider any non Jew as animal."

That is absolutely not true. Muslims are taught Jews are children of apes and pigs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTLayc8zUc8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fxe6DLGVTY

"The prophet said - Judgement Day will not come till you fight the Jews and Kill them. The Jews will hide behind stones and trees will call - Oh Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.. O Jews the curse of Allah be upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs.."

SR " they kill Palestinians kids as if they are animals." - Where is the evidence of this?

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

Dear Richard,
do you believe what Zionist media say?
they are liar.
if they are so much good humans so why they kill Palestine children?
see here:
http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2012.html
read this site with open eyes to know truth instead of media propaganda:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
they have media and tell what has benefit for them. they are liars.
also Israel supports the wahhabi opposition to destroy Syria govt.

near 15000 Wahhabi terrorists who paid by Saudi have entered Syria and trying to destroy Syria government. they are not Syrian people.
Syria militarry has arrested many of them and soon will show their interview in TV and Saudi who supported them will be exposed soon.
they kill innocent shia Syrians and take pics and send to western media. and media say Assad is killing his own people.

what is happening in world is Zionist Regime is trying to destroy Twelver Shia Islam. Muslims are two main category shia and sunni. for difference please look:
http://pastebin.com/4eGMQmWV

Islam is religion of peace and prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not killed any one with his hand. Internet and media are full of propaganda against Islam. but problem is wetern people are brainwashed by media and do not know what is Islam.
Iran not attacked and will not start attack to any country. its Israel fears Iran and wants to destroy Iran.
Ayatollahs loves peace. but also use defensive war (Jihad) when attacked.
if Israel accept logical talk with Iran about no war will happen. both Iran and Israel have same God but diffrent interpret of religion that can be solved by talk. but they are crazy and consider any non Jew as animal. they kill Palestinians kids as if they are animals.
Iran not want conflict. but if be forced will defend.
Mahdi (sa) wants victory of God. its not for Iran. Mahdi (sa) is for you also. he comes with Jesus (sa) toghether to save all the humanity. not only Iranians.
antichrist is Zionism (not true Judaism)
why destroy Iran? why not hear Iran logically and accept TRUE updated religion of REAL God (not a man in sky that church made it)?

many Kings claim to be Muslim but they lie. like church

you should know what is wahhabi.

also there are a group of sunni Muslims called Wahhabi that is based in Saudi Arabia.

also Jews are two group: good Jews and evil Jews (Zionists)

sunni Muslims are not much political like shia Muslims. Wahhabi sect of sunni (centered in Saudi Arabia) are in fact allied and friends with Zionists (centered in Israel).
to know Wahhabism please look:
http://pastebin.com/ZMWPcsa2

http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/wahhabis
there are two main opposite ideological political pole in world:
Twelver Shia Islam and Zionism
others are in fact nutral or following one of these two.
both pole have similar claims:
both claim are waitig for a final savior to save world. one Mahdi+Jesus and one for Jesus.
both claim are choosen nation by God
both claim the other is AntiChrist
both want to wipe other off the map to save the world.

people of Hezbollah in south Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain, Iraq are Shia Muslims also Egypt and many more all are allied with Iran (in fact allied with twelver shia Islam ideology)

US and most of west and also wahhabis are allied with Israel.( in fact allied with Zionism ideology)

Iran supports Hezbollah from Syria/Lebanon border.

Israel (Zionism ideology) is now in its final breaths and is collapsing. so is doing its best try to drag US in a war to destroy its main enemy (shia Islam that is based in Iran) to maybe can survive some years more.

Hezbollah will send rain of missiles on Israel if Israel want to attack Iran. in fact Hezbollah is a guarding shield for Iran against Israel.

so the key to attack Iran is first destroying Hezbollah. so support of Hezbollah from Syria should first be cut.
also most of popular media are hijacked and in control by Zionism.
now many foreign militants by support of Israel are trying to destroy Syria government and also shia people of Syria. Syria military kills some of them and media is brainwashing world in favor of Zionism.

UN is also hijacked by Zionism.

before believing anything western media say please have look at:
http://www.presstv.com/
http://english.farsnews.com/

most Important thing for Iran is shia Islam ideologies and they Shia Muslims are ready to forgive their lives for shia Islam. like what they did in Iran/Iraq war supported by world.

please for sake of Allah ask beliefs of shia Islam from shia scholars and no other source.
official websites of some of top shia Islam scholars:
http://sistani.org/
http://www.makarem.ir/
http://www.leader.ir/
http://www.lankarani.com/
http://www.alhakeem.com/
www.bayynat.org/

Rider1

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

"Israeli hospital treats wounded from Syria"

"Ziv Medical Center in Safed, Israel, "cannot confirm" whether the seven Syrians being treated are from the Syrian opposition or the military, said Dr. Oscar Embon, the hospital's director.
"We treat patients regardless of religion, race, nationality and give the best care we can provide," Embon said.

The Syrians are under guard for their own protection, he said.

Israeli doctors frequently treat people from groups with which Israel has tensions, or even is engaged in conflict. In November, CNN visited an Israeli hospital treating an Israeli child and a Palestinian child, both wounded in warfare between Israel and militants in Gaza.

Ziv Medical Center treated soldiers and a Syrian pilot during the 1982 Israeli war with Lebanon, hospital officials said."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/17/world/meast/israel-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

You keep bashing Israel. But they do good things while Muslims are engaged in killing.

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Does the universe has a cause (GOD)?

Dea Richard,
it depends how you define "event"
if you define event= "Everything that has a beginning of its existence"
then OK. no problem.
please note there is two type of existence:
1- the existence that has borrowed its existence from another thing. i.e itself does not have an independent existence. these things are created and have a start of existence.
2- the existence that is not dependent on other and itself is absolute and independent existence.
as an example if we consider the light as existence then sun is source of light and gives light to other things. and moon does not have light from itself and receives it from another source.

"But I myself am not an event."
you yourself are an event too.
the move of your hand is an event that the force of your muscle is its cause. and finally your mind is cause of all events of your body.

I said this note because it is important in proving existence of God that there is two types of existence. and the second type does not have any cause.
more details is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81m_cosmological_argument

Rider1

Democracy vs. Islamic theocracy. which is better?

SR "there is no problem to criticise Islam or Muhammad.
do not repeat baseless propaganda.
insult is different of critique.
you call burning Quran critiquing Islam?!
this is your way of critique?
those who insult Islam are never punished in west and remain free. west should first learn morals."

Straight away you can see the difference between our modern democratic values and your Islamic Theocracy in those words of yours.

"there is no problem to criticise Islam or Muhammad."

followed by:

"do not repeat baseless propaganda."

So there is a problem in criticising Islam or Muhammad.

Anything said which shows Islam or Muhammad in a bad light is "baseless propaganda"

You can only "criticise" Islam or Muhammad by saying good things about them.

"you call burning Quran critiquing Islam?!" No I never said so.

But in a democratic state the burning of the Quran is permissible, if the Quran is purchased and owned by the person doing so, as was done by the Reverend Jones.

"those who insult Islam are never punished in west and remain free. west should first learn morals."

We do not consider it immoral to insult Islam. We consider it immoral if those insulting Islam (or any religion) are killed or indeed punished in any way.

Rider1

Does the universe has a cause (GOD)?

Dear SR,

Every event does have a cause. At least in the macro Newtonian classical physics.

A billiard ball at rest on a billiard table set in motion is an event. The cause is a person striking the billiard ball with a cue. But events and causes are not the same. I may cause a billiard to move. But I myself am not an event.

When you make simple postulates like the one that Teodar Hashem has made, which leads to an apparent fallacy, the chances are the postulates themselves are wrong or not universal and pertain to only a limited set of circumstances.

You cant use them to "prove" something that is either universal or beyond the limits or scope of those premises.

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Does the universe has a cause (GOD)?

Dear Richard,
"Every event has a cause"
this is not correct.
Every event that has a beginning of existence has a cause.
why you repeat your replies without notice to my replies to your replies? this is not moral.

Rider1

Does the universe has a cause (GOD)?

Dear Teodor,

You premise 1 is not correct and your premise 2 is not necessarily correct. The Universe may not have a beginning. Not in the sense we think of a beginning. "Something" existed at the time of the Big Bang.

I had a similar discussion about the "initial cause" argument about the Universe with SR. He argued

  1. There are events

  2. Every event has a cause, which has a cause (thus every event has a chain of causal events.)

  3. Every chain of causal events must have a beginning.

  4. There is a first, uncaused cause for all that happens.

My reply:

"Premises 2 states that every causal chain has cause. But 4 states that some event has no cause. And this contradicts 2, which says that every event has a cause. They cannot both be true. So your argument contains a fallacy and is wrong.

IF every “event” has a cause, which in turn has a cause, etc etc, then there cannot be any uncaused cause. This must either extend into infinity or be circular.

Your argument also tacitly assumes the following which are wrong

A That all causal chains can be traced to a single cause – not true. There can be causal chains which are unconnected

B That events and causes are the same – they are not

C That a cause has to be committed by a person or living thing – not at all true. Most causes are not caused by persons or living things.

And Finally causality only exists in Newtonian classical physics (A is caused by B which is caused by C and so on). It breaks down in Quantum Mechanics, where A can be caused by B which in turn can be caused by A. Physicists from the University of Vienna and the Universite Libre de Bruxelles have shown that in quantum mechanics it is possible to conceive situations in which a single event can be both, a cause and an effect of another one. Thus there is no necessity for a causal chain extending into infinity. The Big Bang can be both its cause and effect."

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n10/full/ncomms2076.html

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Does the universe has a cause (GOD)?

the causality is an axiom and logical rule.
every human accept that a thing can not happen to existence from nothing without any cause.
can something come to existence from nothing without any cause?

you say "In reality when you look around you, it is clear that everything has a cause including yourself"
OK the universe is also something around you. so universe too has a cause.
do you want to say universe is different of "around you" about causality? if so it needs reasoning.
if causality be rejected then no science will exist because all the science is based on causality and even no one can talk. because everything is based on causality. every law of science assumes causality to be correct by default.
please note nothing in philosophy means absolutely nothing. it does not mean for example vacuum or any other thing considered nothing. for example in physics noting can refer to vacuum which is not absolutely nothing and contains somethings.

anyway this subject is discussed in fundamentals of philosophy.
below links may be useful:
http://www.al-islam.org/fundamentals-god/
http://www.al-islam.org/philosophy/8.htm

Ahmdi_print_avatar

Is God created in our image?

Dear Hashem,
OK. InshaAllah,

"Why isn't the proof of God mentioned in the Quraan?"
are you sure it is not?

"What happens to people that die before even knowing about Islam or Quraan(not all people know about Islam)?
Or people that can't afford thinking about God because of their life circumstances?"
it depends on the level of their strive in seeking truth.
Quran says:
"[4:97] Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."
http://tanzil.net/#4:97
according to Quran any human should have enough research i truth and if needed should travel and immigrate for finding truth and if do not have enough seeking no excuse will be accepted from him.
but if he/she has been had enough research for truth in his life but still could not find it for any reason then he will be forgiven and will not be sent to Hell. (but this does not mean necessarily going to Paradise)

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